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relaxibus  
#1 Posted : Friday, December 2, 2022 6:34:11 AM(UTC)
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Finally, it seems some progressing for Apple Silicon version of the ACIS kernel:

https://www.engineering....catching-up-to-parasolid

https://www.businesswire...-the-Release-of-2023-1.0

https://blog.spatial.com/news/2023-1-0

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#2 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2022 6:33:51 AM(UTC)
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When can we expect new kernel 2023 be integrated in SFX?
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#3 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2022 7:26:16 AM(UTC)
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Well, the previous information policy about future bug fixes and new developments was virtually non-existent. This is a great pity, because it is also linked to investment plans of companies that want to know where things are going. - The competition never sleeps.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2022 5:09:51 PM(UTC)
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A couple of users on the TC forums report that they can use current 32-bit TC PC versions, ACIS V29, on ARM Apple and Windows, I don't remember offhand whether it's Rosetta or other virtualisation on Mac, but not 64-bit. I asked whether that gave them the high-end CATIA, NX translators, but that question hasn't been answered yet. I suspect not but I remember Tim saying years back that those were exclusively PC 64-bit when they were first integrated into Shark, I've no idea if that's still so.

That article continues the historic Parasolid/ACIS prejudice. SolidWork developers reportedly tried ACIS when they were a startup, quickly abandoned it for Parasolid because it was clearly inferior at that time. I used TurboCAD Solid Modeler before the turn of the century. It was a lightweight modeller very similar to Alibre, originally developed by Corel and sold as CorelCAD before IMSI bought it. It came with CorelScript scripting and LightWorks rendering of the time, too, which had an external texture/material editor. The initial version used ACIS V2 and it was a bit of a horror, crash prone unstable. Quickly updated to ACIS V4 which was much better. After that, IMSI discontinued Solid Modeller when it made TC Pro 3D, and started introducing the advantages that ACIS gave it into TC Pro, its mainstream line, and also the D-Cubed constraints that were in Solid Modeller, now in PunchCAD, Shark only to V8.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, December 18, 2022 12:42:54 PM(UTC)
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When can we expect new kernel 2023 be integrated in SFX?



We were provided the ARM libs recently. Unfortunately not soon enough to fit into a full test of ACIS. I usually need 2-3 months to test/tweak new versions.

Spatial typically depreciates APIs and adds new ones so it's not just a library drop switching from ACIS 2022 to ACIS 2023.

That combined with the need to get out the Mac version ASAP to address macOS Ventura.

I'm currently planning on a V14 service pack to include ACIS 2023....


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relaxibus  
#6 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2022 4:37:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: relaxibus Go to Quoted Post
When can we expect new kernel 2023 be integrated in SFX?


That combined with the need to get out the Mac version ASAP to address macOS Ventura.

I'm currently planning on a V14 service pack to include ACIS 2023....


Tim


Will then V14 with the service pack a native Apple Silicon variant or still Rosetta based? What about Metal support? I think this are two main topics to address in order to give a clear future proof roadmap to SFX. Any idea of the CATIA & Co translator, till now for Windows only, will be also available for the Mac version?
Even if you say, this all will be addressed on v15, that will be fine. What actually I see is a very poor graphic performance compared to other CADs like FreeCAD. Just one point I mentioned in a topic, never answered by the way, is the performance degradation when you group objects and then try to move. On imported STEP file it become unusable.
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#7 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2022 8:44:02 AM(UTC)
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>>Will then V14 with the service pack a native Apple Silicon variant or still Rosetta based?

I don't have a date I can provide for SP1 other than I'm very excited.

>>What about Metal support?

The plan is to switch our display graphics to ODA Visualize, which will be a layer on top of Metal.
Our TurboCAD Windows product implemented ODA Visualize which is significantly faster than PunchCAD 3d graphics pipeline.



>>Any idea of the CATIA & Co translator, till now for Windows only, will be also available for the Mac version?
There is a CATIA v4, but there is no plan by Spatial to provide CATIA v6 or higher on Mac. Spatial uses DLLs directly from CATIA to support this translator and there are no plans for CATIA to be supported on Mac that I'm aware of.

>>Just one point I mentioned in a topic, never answered by the way, is the performance degradation when you group objects and then try to move.
That may be related to our implementation of groups and something we can address independently of above.

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relaxibus  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2022 2:43:16 AM(UTC)
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>>Will then V14 with the service pack a native Apple Silicon variant or still Rosetta based?

I don't have a date I can provide for SP1 other than I'm very excited.

But will this SP1 be Apple Silicon native?


>>What about Metal support?

The plan is to switch our display graphics to ODA Visualize, which will be a layer on top of Metal.
Our TurboCAD Windows product implemented ODA Visualize which is significantly faster than PunchCAD 3d graphics pipeline.

That would be great!!


>>Any idea of the CATIA & Co translator, till now for Windows only, will be also available for the Mac version?
There is a CATIA v4, but there is no plan by Spatial to provide CATIA v6 or higher on Mac. Spatial uses DLLs directly from CATIA to support this translator and there are no plans for CATIA to be supported on Mac that I'm aware of.

A shame for the Mac users. Shame on Spatial!

>>Just one point I mentioned in a topic, never answered by the way, is the performance degradation when you group objects and then try to move.
That may be related to our implementation of groups and something we can address independently of above.

Great! How do should we proceed on this topic?


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#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2022 9:32:22 AM(UTC)
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>>But will this SP1 be Apple Silicon native?
Yes, universal binary supporting native on Silicon and native on Intel.


A shame for the Mac users. Shame on Spatial!

On Dassault... I would very much like to see the SolidWorks translators on Mac without using bootcamp or parallels.


>>How do should we proceed on this topic?[/b]

I'm aware of steps to repeat, just need time to run some performance tests to isolate location.


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specktech on 12/30/2022(UTC)
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2022 5:23:27 PM(UTC)
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Am I right in thinking about ARM being like a RISC arrangement, something like the old Apple Power PC CPUs? If so, can they use 64-bit natively and does it limit extended RAM usage?
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