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jlangenberg  
#1 Posted : Friday, November 6, 2009 12:57:23 PM(UTC)
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Hello All,

I need to make a set of patent drawings for a client and would like some advice on getting from here (Shark models/drawings) to there (US Patent Office). Any tips would be appreciated.

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John Langenberg
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jol  
#2 Posted : Saturday, November 7, 2009 8:50:37 AM(UTC)
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From what I can see .. you need to find someone who can't draw very well : )
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Steve.M  
#3 Posted : Saturday, November 7, 2009 12:22:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jol Go to Quoted Post
From what I can see .. you need to find someone who can't draw very well : )


:D

I just spilled my coffee


:D:D


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Steve.M  
#4 Posted : Saturday, November 7, 2009 12:28:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jlangenberg Go to Quoted Post
Any tips would be appreciated.



I would of though it would be down to the client to specify what is needed.

You could have a look through the guides:- http://www.uspto.gov/main/definitions.htm
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jlangenberg  
#5 Posted : Saturday, November 7, 2009 2:17:37 PM(UTC)
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I have no problem creating the drawings. Since I have no experience with patents I was only asking for constructive advice from any of you who have been through the process.
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zumer  
#6 Posted : Saturday, November 7, 2009 6:15:04 PM(UTC)
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Look at the drawings on the USPTO. Jol's quip is incisive, but the drawings are often more like good ones that have rudimentary shading that looks as if it were designed to present clearly when printed from a woodcut. Which is pretty much what the convention descended from. In legal theory, you can't patent something that's derivative of something that's been patented before or of something similar that's been on the market without patent, so searches could go all the way back to the patents first registered. I guess the patent officers are more comfortable with functional distinction if the drawing style is similar.
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jol  
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 8, 2009 8:01:56 AM(UTC)
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There's a serious point here.

The quality of drawings and models generally is very high today - and that is not only because products and drawings of products has evolved, (as well as skills in ass-covering) - but because drawings are also used to sell the design and the skills of and the designer.

In a patent document, selling is not the purpose. Conveying a concept in it's most rudimentary terms, with the least chance of misconstruing the point (by using anything superfluous like a well drawn hand) seems to be what counts.

Perhaps also, great ideas are often intended to be overlooked rather than to be discovered in patent libraries

Patent applications may be an art in themselves ? I should try to flog this concept to Damian Hurst - though I fear the topic may be too interesting for him and he may lack the necessary drawing skills : )
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jlangenberg  
#8 Posted : Monday, November 9, 2009 12:35:35 PM(UTC)
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I appreciate all of the constructive advice.

John
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ShawnDriscoll  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:00:38 AM(UTC)
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I visit http://www.freepatentsonline.com which is free to sign up and browse through. The PDF drawings are very basic or very overly drawn. Not much design is shown by the inventors. Kind of vague inventions out there. Some silly.

All patented.
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lgrijalva  
#10 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2010 2:41:14 PM(UTC)
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Hello, from what i know on patents, the draws are better when they are generic than detailled, cause that way cover more issues and topics regarding the rights of the patent.

maybe that's why many of the pattens seems like a napkin draw :)
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Art  
#11 Posted : Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:18:09 PM(UTC)
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I think you need Illustrator. When I was doing them (as a subcontractor) the line width, crosshatching and text had to be so exact and consistent, there was no way that you could use Shark. When I did them as an industrial designer I used Shark for layout, then exported to Illustrator. If you have another graphics tool perhaps it would be fine. But text work in Shark will send you to drinking (or the poor house) very early, nothing against the program, it is not meant to only do this sort of work the way other (vector) programs are.

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jlm  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, March 2, 2010 2:23:39 AM(UTC)
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Hi,
I've been making my patents drawings with shark for years.
Jol's right, it's hard to make it so "basic".
My technique is usually to make screen grabs of a white model with black edges.
I deduce the "greys" in Photoshop and sometimes increase the outlines (only minimum shading of views is allowed), and I set everything up in Pages (best software for reference numbering).
I'll attach a few examples of already published patents...
JL
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