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jors  
#1 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2011 12:35:05 PM(UTC)
jors

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:)I bought ViaCAD Pro 7 5 nights ago on the recommendation of a fellow forum user by name of blowlamp. I posted the following comment:
Quote:
I am a relative beginner to CAD Software.
First I am only a home shop player. A man grew up in physical dimensions but deep inside he is still a boy. Only his toys are getting more expensive.

I have been looking for a CAD software to use to design what I am doing in my home workshop. I am here referring to a few projects like:
Knifemaker's belt sander, milling attachment, QCTP, tool holders, knife sharpening jig, several jigs for my lathe, camping equipment, a cigarette lighter, bullet mold, attachments for my muzzle loading equipment, etc. So it is for hobby use and not for commercial.

I have played with Blender 3D, Wings, but this is not actually for CAD, but more for 3D films. There are not the ability to draw up a set of plans. I am prepared to design something in 3D and screen capture the 3D part to an open space of the 2D plan and just add dimensions, but I know it is out there somewhere. Blender can round off the edges perfectly but that influence the scale.

I then bought TurboCAD 3D Deluxe 17 (all I could afford). The learning curve for the 2D is not so bad with the 2D, but the tutorials for 3D you have to pay nearly as much as the program itself.

If you look at the comparison card between the Deluxe and the Turbo:

I feel that I have wasted my money for a 3D package, but not for 2D. The following elements are not available for the Deluxe but only for the Turbo and Platinum:
3D Solid Modeling and Editing
3D Terrain Modeling
3D Shelling, Lofting and Surfaces
3D Deformable Modeling
3D Pattern Copy Tools
Extrude to Face, Twisted Extrude Tools
Imprint Tool
Parametric Part Maker and Manager
History Tree with Editor
Architectural

I have search further and there were some other free 3D software but what stood out are the following:

1. Autodesk 123D (I have played with it so far. It looks promising but still lacks, as it is designed to be either free or cheap. You have to publish to online Autodesk WS for plans. If they decide to ask money for the final it will have to offer something for the hobbyist or he will not spend money on that.

2. Delcam's Powershape-E Student version. This is free but can only write plans to A4 pages.

3. T-Flex Student version. This is basically the same than Powershape-E.

The last two options are the same as the full version, with the exception it can only print to A4 with a note marked as such on the edge of the page. Both can only print to itself (the pro can not open the student version. I am currently playing with T-Flex as their first tutorial made an impression on me, It is brought over to me in both writing as well as a video. I feel can still use another 2D program for the 2D and screen capture the 3D on that as an image should I really need to print larger than A4. Most of my projects will fit on an A4.

When I first bought the TurboCAD 3d Deluxe I was overwhelmed by the pictures I saw on the cover box, but I was not familiar with the 3D Modelling terms. I know it is fine for 3D houses and buildings but I do not want to draw that. Only machine tools as mentioned. What also amazes me is that I have searched for 3D video tutorials for TurboCAD but I only found those for which you must pay. The engineer tutorials are only available for Turbo.

Tell me, Was the purchase of TurboCAD 3D Deluxe so bad? Maybe I must try to buy an older version of say TurboCAD 3D Turbo 16 or of another program.


Blowlamp recommended ViaCAD Pro 7 to me which I bought after I watched a video on the bolt tutorial. I bought the program with a 30% discount and downloaded, installed and activated without a problem. I watched all the videos through because I was absolutely fascinated.I have watched the tutorials right through, went to bed and after I came back from hospital the next day, I started using the program. What an experience!

Th program is easier than Blender, TurboCAD, Powershape-E, T-Flex, FSDS3,5 and GMAX.

I designed the first side of my design in 2D (with two holes and a half circle cutout and with one step extruded it to a 3D model. You can roughly do anything and just type in the correct size. The snap functions are brilliant.
Not to speak about the boolean functions. You just draw the two shapes in the position you want and you use the boolean icon with two clicks: first what you want to keep and second what you want to disappear. As easy as that.

The icons make sense. I have not even once gone back to the tutorials (Believe me I will), because it is so easy. I finally found what I was looking for.

My next step will be to try to change a few shortcuts to make it even more friendly to use. You only pick up speed by knowing the program and bu using shortcuts.

What make the program a further winner is it's Windows integration. If you for example draw / design a belt sander, it is not necessary to design the pillowblock bearings of the main wheel shaft. If you have a model of it available, just drop it on your workspace (work plane) and it is there (must be compatible though like autocad). Just scale it and texture or colour it.

I know this program have less options than Blender but it is made as a CAD designer and not a movie maker.

It works fine on my Laptop and is not heavy on resources. The purchase of this software was money well spend. I will recommend it to any beginner or small scale model builder. The program is not difficult to learn. Definately easier than the other mentioned. I can not say how this compare against the other but it does everything I want in the software.

I have played with a few imports of other format. I have mostly tried autoCAD format but it works perfectly. Google sketchup as well but I first have to find out how to smooth the images. A pipe appears as lets say a 20 sided tube. I think it is only a setting but I will get it right. The reason why I import is to save time. I am currently designing a knurling tool holder. Why do I have to design the bolts and nuts. It is already there. I still do not know how to stretch an existing screw, so I designed the countersunk screws with allen key heads from scratch. Everything since Sunday.

This ViaCAD may be cheap compared to AutoCAD, but for a model builder and toolmaker it is exactly what I wanted and more.

Thank you punch for fulfilling all my CAD needs for a fraction of the cost of other software.
:)
jors  
#2 Posted : Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:24:57 PM(UTC)
jors

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After 6 days with ViaCAD Pro 7:
UserPostedImage
-A knurling tool for the small lathe-

Experienced users please bare with me, but I am very pleased with this software and the ability to learn it. I can now not only see what I want to make, but I can also see if it will work or not.

Worth every cent.
la mouche  
#3 Posted : Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:12:13 AM(UTC)
la mouche

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Posts: 757

hello,

very nice your background. I like to hear opinions about this program.

good luck for the future!

Antoine
nov4vc47  
#4 Posted : Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:02:55 AM(UTC)
nov4vc47

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I agree.
ViaCAD V7 2D/3D is a very powerfull 3D-program. Therefor I bought it.
Dimensioning in 2D still lacks the possibility to create, save and reause Dimension-styles, so dimensioning 2D-sheets is weak. See my post on 2D-affairs.
For 2D-work I use the free CAD-programs like DoubleCAD XT vs3 and Draftsight, which both let you import the 3D-work (save as DXF of DWG) by ViaCAD.
Jay
jol  
#5 Posted : Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:08:58 PM(UTC)
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nov4vc47 ... the 'Eye Dropper' can help you get past this

it can copy qualities from one element to another
nov4vc47  
#6 Posted : Monday, September 26, 2011 8:06:49 AM(UTC)
nov4vc47

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jol,
I know it. I got that recommendation already from another on this forum.
Still, I find it strange that such a powerfull program as ViaCAD 3D is, cannot handle creating and saving dimensioning-styles in 2D.
Tim Olson  
#7 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 2:36:26 PM(UTC)
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>>cannot handle creating and saving dimensioning-styles in 2D.

That should be fixed in the v8 beta and v8 releases. Please let me know if that is not the case.

Tim
Tim Olson
IMSI Design/Encore
jors  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:30:23 PM(UTC)
jors

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It is now almost three weeks that I am using the app and I am getting more impressed by the day. What I could not figure out myself the fellow forum members assisted me with.
I showed the app to a friend who works with AllyCAD. He was impressed with what I showed him. He was also very impressed with how fast you can work if you use the snap ability and the dimension boxes.
Words like awsome and amazing was uttered. I don't know Allycad at all so I can't form my own opinion regarding the comparison.
I still think the way the layout is formulated and the interface make ViaCAD so easy to learn or to pick up enough to start using it for real work and not just trying to learn the program.
So I am not only impressed but I am very satisfied with thiss software as part of my hobby arsenal.:)
la mouche  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 5, 2011 1:23:23 AM(UTC)
la mouche

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:))

bienvenue au club!

Antoine
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