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MaiFy  
#1 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2025 5:11:04 PM(UTC)
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Hi Guys.
I am having problems creating this shape. I am more used to the solid modeling tools than meshes or surfaces.
I am trying to expand and buff my skill set as I have bought a small 3D printer which opens up new modeling opportunities.

I just cant get this to work. I cant make it as a solid and haven't had any success with the mesh tools, but I am less experienced with them.
I am trying to create a tapered clamp where you slide it back or forward to tighten on to a rod.

Any tips or pointers as to methods or tools I could use would be appreciated.

I am using Viacad Pro 14 build 1653

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To try and clarify
I can not make it as a solid so I am trying to use surfaces or meshes, then weld it together to make a solid so I can edit it some more.
I seem to be able (with some difficulty) to get all the surfaces but cant turn it into a solid.
I've tried on and off for over a week now.
It must just be my technique.

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damhave  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2025 1:45:43 AM(UTC)
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Hi,
I think Join Curves (for the sections). skin the two solids from the sections with Skin Solid. Use Subtract Solidt to subtract the solids, draw a profile in the plane you want and the Cutout Solid with this profile and vector should work.
But unfortunately this is with solid tools.
kind regards
Danny

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MaiFy on 1/26/2025(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2025 1:38:45 PM(UTC)
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Hi,
I ran some additional tests with the surfaces. First, I connected the curves, then I prepared breaking of the surfaces with a few extra lines (see the wireframe). After that, I used the "cover surface" tool face by face. In the end, I couldn’t stitch it into a solid. However, when I checked the stitch options, I noticed the gap tolerances had been increased from the default 0.1 to 2.54 for some strange reason. I reset the stitch tolerances back to 0.1, and the surfaces stitched into a solid without issue.
Best regards,
Danny

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#4 Posted : Sunday, January 26, 2025 2:49:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: damhave Go to Quoted Post
I noticed the gap tolerances had been increased from the default 0.1 to 2.54 for some strange reason.


Yes Danny, there are some annoying little quirks that catch me out too, and still in v14, one is the Thread tool in Powerpack always default to External and a thread pitch of 2.54 aka 0.1"
The other even if you select Internal (thread) and then go back to it after maybe making another hole, selecting another tool etc, it defaults to External again, but will remember the last used thread pitch... go figure :)

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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 26, 2025 7:19:17 PM(UTC)
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Thanks so much for your time and help Danny.

When I get a spare hour I will follow your methods.

I thought it should be possible but I couldn't get it to do it.

Its those tips and knowing the little quirks from experienced users that really make a difference.

I will post my result when I get it turned into a solid.

Here's hoping.

Thanks👍

PS. Are you using metric or imperial settings?
As Mike alludes to, whenever I see numerals 254 in a dimension field, I think its a translation calculation error in the software. 25.4mm = 1 inch. (I am a Metric user)

I will play with it a bit more but my default stitch settings are as in the picture. That 1 is probably 1 inch.

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#6 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2025 9:25:54 AM(UTC)
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Yes, I work in metric (mm). It may indeed be a conversion error or a missing conversion somewhere in the code behind the GUI. I’ve seen this type of issue before, particularly when importing files from other programs.
My guess is that when the maximum stitching/healing gaps are larger than the smallest dimensions in the 3D model, the software attempts to stitch surfaces differently than we’d expect. For example, if the dimension between surface edges is smaller than the maximum gap setting—like the 2.54mm in this case (there were 2mm gaps between some surfaces in my drawing)—the software might find unexpected ways to stitch the surfaces together.
I haven’t tested this, but it seems logical that the maximum gap should always be at least a factor (perhaps 2 or more, depending on angles and mathematical rounding, etc.) smaller than the smallest dimension in the model to avoid these issues.
Regards,
Danny

Edited by user Monday, January 27, 2025 9:32:09 AM(UTC)  | Reason: added angles and rounding

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2025 3:17:41 AM(UTC)
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Hi,

It's easy to create this shape with solid modeling:

draw 2 slots your size
change object type and convert to lines
draw 2 lines for the opening
trim the lines for the opening
use join curve with smallest tolerance and select all
duplicate it and replace and resize
use skin solid and select all
done




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If things don't go the way you would find a way it could.
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ZeroLengthCurve  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2025 5:48:14 AM(UTC)
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A slight modification to your idea, Theo5715:


Mostly, as you said, create two slots.

Skin, stitch, shell.

Then, add a centerline, and on it, a perpendicular surface, thickness to desired.

Split the body, leaving the solid on a turned-off layer.

Optionally, manually or via constraints, adjust the thickness of the splitting splitting solid in case the split body material changes and has looser or tighter requirements on the gap/opening.

An alternative that I usually avoid (because of how my mind works) is solids made with draft. Then, split the draft as above.

Further, if the split is likely to not always need to be perpendicular, a beveled or draft-based splitting plate (solid) could be used for faster iterative work exploration.



( Extra:

I may be wrong, but, I imagine the gap is easier to adjust later by changing the splitter thickness than by adjusting already-tight curves that if they lose associativity will potentially break the model. I sometimes get hit with an undo breaking things, and going forward hy undoing the undo further messes up things. Hence, I have hundreds and hundreds of non-deleted work that grows from 500 kb, out to 1 mb, the as far out as 100+ kb — always some incremental name-varied fallback file available.)
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2025 7:18:21 AM(UTC)
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Hi ZerolengthCurve,

Thanks for your comment!
I know, there are more options to reach the end result.

My second option would be:

draw 2 slots
select both and duplicate/replace
resize both to your dimensions
skin solid the outside slot to the other outside slot
skin solid the inside slot to the other inside slot
subtract the inner solid from the outer solid
draw the form (rectangle) for cutout as the picture
done, 2 min.

also easy to adjust the dimensions later on.

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If things don't go the way you would find a way it could.
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ZeroLengthCurve on 2/5/2025(UTC)
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