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L. Banasky  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:42:54 AM(UTC)
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ViaCAD PRO 11, PC Build 1417 unable to dimension included angle, MTS.
Countersunk Hole.
Maybe just a PC thing, or also on Mac?
Larry

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L. Banasky  
#2 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:28:28 AM(UTC)
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Seems basic to any CAD software, can someone verify?
ViaCAD PRO 11, PC Build 1417
Dimension an included angle, MTS, Countersunk Hole.
Thanks,
Larry

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UGMENTALCASE  
#3 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 4:18:24 AM(UTC)
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I can use the angle dimension on a section view ok. Have you tried using smart dimension and holding shift? Works both was for me.

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#4 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 8:43:55 AM(UTC)
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maybe post the file so others can confirm.
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L. Banasky  
#5 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 4:25:58 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for trying, does work on a section view.
No special file, just a block with a countersunk hole.
Wanted to see if the promised countersink feature will
ever work in my lifetime.
So far it isn't working.
Larry
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UGMENTALCASE  
#6 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 4:27:40 PM(UTC)
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What's it meant to do?
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L. Banasky  
#7 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 4:48:00 PM(UTC)
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It's supposed to give you an 82 degree countersink when you enter 41 degrees.
Here is an old post explaining what was promised.
http://forum.punchcad.co...sts&t=7889#post29751
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UGMENTALCASE  
#8 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 4:52:21 PM(UTC)
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I'll check it out tomorrow for you. Don't recall seeing drill point in the data entry window only in the inspector box after the hole is in
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L. Banasky  
#9 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 5:00:23 PM(UTC)
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The drill point works in SharkCAD Pro, but not the countersink input.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 12:08:56 AM(UTC)
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It's supposed to give you an 82 degree countersink when you enter 41 degrees.
Here is an old post explaining what was promised.
http://forum.punchcad.co...sts&t=7889#post29751
Larry


Yep, 41 x 2 is 98...…….

Also tried it out. Now in certain standards you are not allowed to dimension to hidden details. The place I work for will bounce back any drawings dimensioned to hidden lines. Maybe this is the case here? I have shown the hidden hole and it won't allow me to dimension. Section view it, and it's fine
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 1:06:33 AM(UTC)
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Now in certain standards you are not allowed to dimension to hidden details. Maybe this is the case here? I have shown the hidden hole and it won't allow me to dimension. Section view it, and it's fine


Yeah, I thought it also when I so Larry's screenshot, but it seemed to me too clever for SharkCad :-)

Also had many situations when I cooperated with University of Technology they didn't want accept drawings inconsistent with standards. It didn't concern only dimensioning of hidden lines but also line weight, closed dimension chains, locations of views, style of arrows...

Sometimes it easier to dimension hidden hole or object instead of drawing another view/section but there are people he treat technical norms very seriously.

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UGMENTALCASE  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 1:09:17 AM(UTC)
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Now in certain standards you are not allowed to dimension to hidden details. Maybe this is the case here? I have shown the hidden hole and it won't allow me to dimension. Section view it, and it's fine


Yeah, I thought it also when I so Larry's screenshot, but it seemed to me to clever for SharkCad :-)



Me too! I wouldn't say, although someone can correct me if I'm wrong, this was intentional!
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L. Banasky  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:30:09 AM(UTC)
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I probably should have said 'VERIFY', any way you look at it if you
enter 41 degrees it should give an included angle of 82 degrees,
I was just giving it a quick check.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:41:43 PM(UTC)
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This is from Tim's book Tips and Tricks 3rd ed.

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L. Banasky  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:49:25 AM(UTC)
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Oh WOW, now it's really intuitive, and crystal clear, if I want an 82 Degree
countersink, all I have to enter is 49 Degrees.
The Tips and Tricks example is also very helpful for everyone
using 86 Degree fasteners.

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UGMENTALCASE  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:50:49 AM(UTC)
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Funniest thing I've ever read!
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L. Banasky  
#17 Posted : Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:27:52 AM(UTC)
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<<<< Funniest thing I've ever read! >>>>

Sad, really. Almost as sad as the useless Symbols.
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UGMENTALCASE  
#18 Posted : Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:40:11 AM(UTC)
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Brilliant! I always wondered why those crappy symbols, especially the welding ones can't go on a drop down menu like the gd and t stuff. Would be much better!
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#19 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2019 12:08:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: L. Banasky Go to Quoted Post
Sad, really. Almost as sad as the useless Symbols.


Maybe better to spend one hour, draw the most needed symbols, place them on a invisible layer near sheet' frame and Save it as template file. You can make in visible when You want and easily drop it when it is necessary.

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L. Banasky  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, September 3, 2019 11:43:31 AM(UTC)
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Thanks, Magicart,
The symbols would only be useful in Model-to-Sheet
for me. I would want to use the Hole Tool, and place an
accurate, editable hole in a solid, and have it transfer to
Model-to-Sheet, and update when the Model changes.

All I was really asking for is what was promised for Version 11,
and I don’t think that’s going to happen.
I’ll just enter 49 Degrees for an 82 Degree countersink.
, and do the work arounds for simplified threaded holes.

SharkCAD Pro seems to be going backwards instead of forward.
Even Vellum3D had a correct Symbol, 25 years ago.
You need 82 Degrees, that’s what you get 82 Degrees.

I also asked for the SNAP TEXT to be edited for color and
size or be transparent for the PC.
I received only 1 response from the developers 15 years ago.

Shark is a great software, and I hope development continues.
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