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la mouche  
#1 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:23:00 AM(UTC)
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omg

nice communication,
nice beautiful fluidity in the display



http://www.formz.com/products/b...tMovie=Interface_320.flv

bravo Autodessys
misterrogers  
#2 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:51:44 AM(UTC)
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Yeah I agree. I looked into Bonzai when they first announced it. It's like Sketchup on steroids. The "push-pull" concept unlike in Sketchup, is actual boolean operations being calculated every time, so it's seems to be more of a real solid modeler.

While bonzai3d is pretty cool I can see why it's parent program FormZ never became an industry standard.. Its one of the first 3D modeling programs I explored on a mac not impressed at all.
ttrw  
#3 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:05:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: misterrogers Go to Quoted Post
like Sketchup on steroids.


I think that's a bit harsh. SketchUp really comes into its own when using many of the plugins written for it. I also found B3D rather buggy and prone to crashing. I don't know what v2 is like- I am currently downloading it, but I hope it's become easier to use, as I couldn't get B3D to do anything before. One thing in SU's favour is that you can get things done really fast. SketchUp has the fastest CAD interface on any system IMHO, and higher productivity of course, means higher turnaround and profit. :)
la mouche  
#4 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:39:56 PM(UTC)
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I do not compare as regards the precise modeling, but

like I said ...:

what is beautiful is:
[COLOR="Red"]their communication[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Lime"]their video tutorials,[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]their graphic quality and usability of their users manuals,[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Cyan"]opengl fluidity in real time during handling.[/COLOR]

SharkFX could learn, their users manuals has not changed since 4 years

Antoine
ttrw  
#5 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:43:06 PM(UTC)
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Yes, I agree.
ttrw  
#6 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:50:43 PM(UTC)
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This is a screenshot of Bonzai3D (it took 3 hours to download!!!!)

In all fairness, Shark and ViaCAD have very similar splash-screens to Bonzai at startup. And, Shark does look at little better (tidy), still both are not Cocoa (like Rhino, C3D, Cheetah and Sketchup)
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ttrw  
#7 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:59:06 PM(UTC)
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you know what, this is pretty good!! :D

It's really similar to SpaceClaim- and that's a great big positive in my books!

(and it hasn't crashed either!)
jol  
#8 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 3:08:52 PM(UTC)
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I'm no expert but I think with regard Shark, the Cocoa argument may be a bit of a red herring ! I think the memory management is Cocoa modern, as are the other elements that need to be. I'd be interesting in Tim's comments on this.

Adobe - that's a different story - they still seem to be still clagging stuff onto their 1994 code .. and it shows
ttrw  
#9 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:24:03 PM(UTC)
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If you click on help in Bonzai3D, it opens up this weird Preview lookalike app called "Manual Viewer" (great name guys! ;) ). MV looks and behaves just like Preview.....So why don't these guys just allow you to open a pdf up in preview?? :confused::confused:

It all seems like a lot of extra crap for my HD, for not a lot else :confused:

Still can't work out how to extrude, and there seems to be no "model to sheet" function either- which is a shame.
tmay  
#10 Posted : Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:55:36 PM(UTC)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...laynext_from=PL&index=12

You can see some of this in SharkFX 7 already.
la mouche  
#11 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 3:50:11 AM(UTC)
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great!! :eek:

but, not same price :rolleyes:

Antoine
Steve.M  
#12 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 4:40:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ttrw Go to Quoted Post
Still can't work out how to extrude,
Try the extrude tool.(see pic)

Originally Posted by: ttrw Go to Quoted Post

and there seems to be no "model to sheet" function either- which is a shame.
That was never intended.

- Steve
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ttrw  
#13 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 5:34:15 AM(UTC)
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Ah! There it is! LOL!

and B)

Odd omission :confused: Even houses are displayed in layouts- look at the popularity dimensions were in SketchUp. :)
Steve.M  
#14 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 5:44:13 AM(UTC)
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Ah! There it is! LOL!

and B)

Odd omission :confused: Even houses are displayed in layouts- look at the popularity dimensions were in SketchUp. :)
You have 2d drawings/dimensions in Bonzai, but you asked about "Model to sheet". Does sketchup have that?


- Steve
ttrw  
#15 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 6:09:06 AM(UTC)
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Yes. Either via LayOut or via this plugin;

http://sketchuptips.blogspot.co...-orthographic-views.html

or;

http://drivingdimensions.com/

and many more :)
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#16 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 7:11:58 AM(UTC)
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I see that they have added tools for merging/blending curves/surfaces. Looking quite good up to now (no error messages)

Certainly worth more of my time to play.

Very quick example of merging/blending surfaces:-


http://dc190.4shared.com/downlo...72843/488cf6a8/blend.mov


- Steve
jol  
#17 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 12:34:39 PM(UTC)
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Steve .. bang-on !

Tim .. please take a look at Steve's video
Jean-Francois Jacques  
#18 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 1:18:46 PM(UTC)
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Very interesting Surface Tool!!
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ttrw  
#19 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 4:33:28 PM(UTC)
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I get the feeling that AutoDesSys are updating Form Z, so that when v7 is released, it will have more of the simplicity with the interface, that Bonzai has. All the functions like sheetmetal folding and drafting are in Form Z.

Actually I had quite a good day with ViaCAD today! :)
Gary  
#20 Posted : Monday, February 8, 2010 6:12:21 PM(UTC)
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For what it is worth, I use both SharkFX & FormZ all the time, and in partnership with each other (mostly exchanging data through either SAT fro 3D & DWG for 2D).

Each has its strengths & weaknesses, and my toolbox would be dramatically weaker without either of them. There are some things I just would not tackle in one, that is easily accomplished in the other and vice versa. In general, Shark allows me to model much faster and easier, while Z allows much greater file organization and rendering as projects get larger.

It will be interesting to see how much more time I spend in Z when it is updated to 7 with all of the interface improvements from Bonzai.

Regarding bugs & stability, in my experience, FormZ is one of the more stable and bug free programs out there. Shark, while not bug free, continues to make progress and is more than stable enough for me.

Regards,

Gary
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