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jfc1068  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 8, 2009 9:10:08 AM(UTC)
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I have set a line weight in my drawing that has madxe the line quite fat on the screen, but the printed page looks so this that they arer almost unviewable.

What gives?
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#2 Posted : Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:01:03 AM(UTC)
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I still need an answer. The line of the screen is so fat it looks like a blob of ink, though the printed version is so thin as to be almost invisible.

How do I fix this?
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#3 Posted : Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:46:49 AM(UTC)
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see the attached files to see what I am talking about.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:05:18 AM(UTC)
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The line weight scales to the printed output. So for example if you set a lineweight of 1/4" and its printed at 1:1 it will be 1/4" if you print scaled to 1:2 (half size) then the line weight prints at 1/8" and so on.

So if you want a certain line weight printed you need to scale it up or down based on what scale you are printing at.

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jfc1068  
#5 Posted : Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:26:53 AM(UTC)
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The line weight scales to the printed output. So for example if you set a lineweight of 1/4" and its printed at 1:1 it will be 1/4" if you print scaled to 1:2 (half size) then the line weight prints at 1/8" and so on.

So if you want a certain line weight printed you need to scale it up or down based on what scale you are printing at.

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Jason


Jason,

I can understand that. But, let's use the line I had to set 2" wide. If I now need another line that is less that 1" away, it will dissapear on the screen. So what is the solution?
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#6 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2009 9:37:44 PM(UTC)
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I know it sounds crude, but use pixel dimensions and not 'real' dimensions for line widths. Pixel dimensions stay constant regardless of scale, so a 40 pixel line will always print thicker than a 1 or 4 pixel line.
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jfc1068  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:41:30 AM(UTC)
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Will give ut a try, but.....

The main problem is the lack of consitent ratio between the drawn line weight and the printed line weight.

The drawn line weight is much, much larger than the printed line weight. A drawn line has to be wider than what you want my about a factor of 10 or 12. You really notice it when the line is next to text. You can draw a line with weight that makes it easily as thick as the text is tall. Yet when it prints it will be about as thick as 1.5 times the width of a letter "I"

Now do you understand my dilemma?
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:36:38 AM(UTC)
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jfc,

Tech support did some testing and reported some inconsistency. We are looking into.

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chipmaker2  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:46:53 PM(UTC)
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I still need an answer. The line of the screen is so fat it looks like a blob of ink, though the printed version is so thin as to be almost invisible.

How do I fix this?


If you want to print thick lines try this. Pick line tool or what ever. Set the line thickness to what you want. Draw and print. If you start with a line width of .002" your stuck with it. Try starting at any number thicker as a default and feel free to change line thicknesses there after and you should be fine.


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jfc1068  
#10 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:09:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chipmaker2 Go to Quoted Post
If you want to print thick lines try this. Pick line tool or what ever. Set the line thickness to what you want. Draw and print. If you start with a line width of .002" your stuck with it. Try starting at any number thicker as a default and feel free to change line thicknesses there after and you should be fine.


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Nope, that does not work either. Look at the attached files. This triangle was printed at about 1/2"-1'-0"

The pdf file is what comes out of the printer
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#11 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:13:14 PM(UTC)
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Nope, that does not work either. Look at the attached files. This triangle was printed at about 1/2"-1'-0"

The pdf file is what comes out of the printer


I just saw your post and I tried thicker lines and everything prints OK.

First select line tool .
Next with line tool selected but with "no line drawn or selected" click on .005" or larger under Pen menu weights .
Now make some lines circle etc. and print.
The important thing is to set the default larger than .002" when you start.
Try a new drawing set the defaults as stated above and it should work.
See attached files.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:31:55 PM(UTC)
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your attached files prove my point. The printed image does not match the original.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:47:21 PM(UTC)
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your attached files prove my point. The printed image does not match the original.


I scaled the image between postings and added text. Yes is looks different. The reason for this thread to print different line weights. and that is a done deal.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:55:54 PM(UTC)
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I spent quite a lot of time on this isssue years ago, - let me ask Tim again what he would do given the following scenrario, - taking into account that the products I work on are somewhat large to fit on a desk...:

1, You make your parts and originals at 1:1 scale be it 2D or 3D.
2, You then need to make a pdf printfile of a 2D view e.g. as follows;
2a, 1:1 scale for template building,
2b, 1:10, 1:25 scale for General Arrangement at A0+ size,
2a, 1:50, 1:200 scale for General Arrangement at A4, A3 size and so on,

From experience you now that outlines look godd at 0,5-0,7mm, gridlines at 0,25-0,35mm and so on. And this is correct whatever the scale or papersize you use. So you spend a lot of time assigning the correct values to the lines in the drawing.

We all know what then happens when you make the printfiles....You then have to either change the lines weights for each pdf you create or you have to have separate drawing files. Neither solution is a smart or professional one in my opinion...

So, any options for a change for the better Tim, please..
rgds from a "frustrated" Naval Architect
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jfc1068  
#15 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:03:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chipmaker2 Go to Quoted Post
I scaled the image between postings and added text. Yes is looks different. The reason for this thread to print different line weights. and that is a done deal.
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As the op, I can tell you that you got the reason for the post wrong. So therefore it is NOT "a done deal."
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