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polygone		#1 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 1:12:46 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member Joined: 7/7/2012(UTC) Posts: 47		I know this may sound a little of off, but, giving the user an option of putting a little wave in a line sure would make the shading of patent drawings look better. Adding a line pattern of a waving line in combination with the scale would be something I could use. I guess I'm looking for something alone the lines of a hand drawn line. Is there any option now maybe with spines that may give this effect? **** Update On this file the brown lines are for shading. Patent examiners like to be able to visualize the contour of each surface. These lines help them with that task. This file doesn't have all the shading needed, but should give an idea of what I'm talking about. If these lines had just a hand drawn look, that would help. With all the prior art out there, we need all the help we can get. P file was saved to FX v8 also added pic File Attachment(s): RT Profile section (Shanding Lines).sfx (1,540kb) downloaded 7 time(s). polygone attached the following image(s): Shading Lines pic.jpg (161kb) downloaded 7 time(s). You cannot** view/download attachments. Try to login or register.


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Tim Olson		#2 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 1:21:14 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 2/2/2007(UTC) Posts: 5,447 Was thanked: 502 time(s) in 353 post(s)		Do you have an example you could share? Tim
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zumer		#3 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 5:37:54 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 11/4/2007(UTC) Posts: 515 Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)		Originally Posted by: polygone With all the prior art out there, we need all the help we can get. That's hilarious. I reinvented the wheel once, a nicer shading hatch might've persuaded the examiner. Novelty and innovation are annoyingly high bars.


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rockyroad_us		#4 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 7:25:49 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 9/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 608 Location: In my place Was thanked: 59 time(s) in 51 post(s)		The shading is nice but it is not a requirement in Utility patent drawings. It does help illustrate but doesn't help patentability or client's wallet. I speak from experience. The only time I use them is in design patents drawings rarely now and don't use them at all in utility patent drawings.
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memphisjed		#5 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 10:02:30 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 12/19/2010(UTC) Posts: 115 Thanks: 20 times Was thanked: 9 time(s) in 8 post(s)		Photoshop is the proper computer tool. Even in AI the same filters do not bring out nice result, the raster image software is better than vector graphic (CAD or ai) software at these operations. The cheap option is to print super faint and hand trace/ink/colored pencil shadow.


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polygone		#6 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 10:39:21 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member Joined: 7/7/2012(UTC) Posts: 47		"Shading not a requirement," well that as a general rule is true, but a spindle in a side section view as this, would certainly need shading to display its couture. I have a good friend who is a engineer with four patents which he wrote himself, I'll go with his option about shading and use it. And actually, I don't see anything funny about my post. Because of the ease of use of the software, as far as the breaking off the model assassination from the drawing view Shark is perfect for patent drawings, adding a intuitive hatch or a line with a little wave could be something to think about.


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rockyroad_us		#7 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:36:49 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 9/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 608 Location: In my place Was thanked: 59 time(s) in 51 post(s)		Polygone, Actually, you have it wrong and so does your engineer friend. According to the patent rules you are not supposed to put two views in one. See 37 CFR1.84(i) of the patent manual. The half view with the cross section needs to be alone and separate from the other half which is a front view or side view. Plus you must designate where the cross view came from- a separate rule. The shading will most likely be in the front or side view but is not required. This shading is mainly seen in design patents.
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jlm		#8 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:40:01 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 2/18/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,252 Location: Paris & Frankfurt Thanks: 217 times Was thanked: 164 time(s) in 101 post(s)		I made figures for a few patents using Shark screen grabs plus rework in Photoshop. It is true that shading must be done with lines, not shadows. The original filing country may accept grey shaded views, but when it comes to other countries extensions, the result of their copies is sometimes just awful... I had once to pay for someone re-making all the view by hand. A "patent shading mode" would open the tool to many new users, I think... JL jlm attached the following image(s): Double 1.jpg (33kb) downloaded 7 time(s). 2.png (18kb) downloaded 7 time(s). ferm©.jpg (31kb) downloaded 0 time(s). Ouvert.jpg (22kb) downloaded 7 time(s). You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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ZeroLengthCurve		#9 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:22:59 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 5/15/2008(UTC) Posts: 989 Thanks: 19 times Was thanked: 37 time(s) in 25 post(s)		Lol... I'm not sure whether that is an assassin's bullet delivery system, or a high-powered eyeliner device for Fembots or androids.... BTW, did Polygone mean "association" instead of "assassnation"? Originally Posted by: jlm I made figures for a few patents using Shark screen grabs plus rework in Photoshop. It is true that shading must be done with lines, not shadows. The original filing country may accept grey shaded views, but when it comes to other countries extensions, the result of their copies is sometimes just awful... I had once to pay for someone re-making all the view by hand. A "patent shading mode" would open the tool to many new users, I think... JL


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jlm		#10 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:47:25 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Joined: 2/18/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,252 Location: Paris & Frankfurt Thanks: 217 times Was thanked: 164 time(s) in 101 post(s)		Originally Posted by: ZeroLengthCurve Lol... I'm not sure whether that is an assassin's bullet delivery system, or a high-powered eyeliner device for Fembots or androids.... BTW, did Polygone mean "association" instead of "assassnation"? Hi ZLC, In cosmetics, we use bullets for lipsticks. Here it's about mascaras... The "Fembots" one has been sold to a prestigious company. The patent has already been published with me as inventor and Dior as applicant, so I can mention it without breaking confidentiality... JL
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