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Jedt3D  
#1 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2007 9:41:49 AM(UTC)
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Hello, Tim
Congratulations for your new great product, ViaCAD!
I've bought it recently and very happy with it. I've a question about upgrade path to Concept 3D. Can we upgrade to Concepts 3D later or we have to buy a new license?
This is a lovely product at the unbelievable price! :D
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Tim Olson  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:53:20 PM(UTC)
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Jedt3D wrote:
Hello, Tim
Congratulations for your new great product, ViaCAD!
I've bought it recently and very happy with it. I've a question about upgrade path to Concept 3D. Can we upgrade to Concepts 3D later or we have to buy a new license?
This is a lovely product at the unbelievable price! :D


Thanks, we're pretty exciting about ViaCAD and the price/feature set it provides for $99.00. I've asked the marketing/sales guys and will let you know what I find out.
Tim Olson
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dexter  
#3 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2007 7:06:42 AM(UTC)
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Hi Tim,

I was wondering the same thing...any word back from your team?

Thanks,
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Tim Olson  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:02:23 AM(UTC)
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>>I was wondering the same thing...any word back from your team?

The answer was yes, but they are still debating the discounted price.
Tim Olson
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Jedt3D  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:17:28 AM(UTC)
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:D Thank you, Tim. At least , I know where to go next step.
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bmeissner  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:45:33 AM(UTC)
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Hmmm... I bought Concepts Unlimited yesterday... should I have waited a little bit longer?

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Exocubic  
#7 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2007 8:03:23 AM(UTC)
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I've been so impressed with ViaCAD that my curiosity is piqued about the added power of Concepts Unlimited. Are the additional tools worth the (gulp) $1696? I do a LOT of translating geometry from one package to another - are the file import/export tools more robust in CU? The ability to "dismantle" solids into individual surfaces is also important to me. It seems from the "Product Comparison Matrix" that CU really only offers four additional advanced modeling tools over Concepts 3d:
>Cover with Guides X
>Lofting with Guides X
>Feature Patterns X
>MicroScribe Digitizer X
So would the purchase of C3d be the best upgrade path, especially for someone who doesn't need yet another weak raytracer? Or is the renderer more than just an old Lightworks module?

Or should I just wait for Rhino on the Mac? So many questions. Any answers out there?
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NickB  
#8 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2007 2:51:16 PM(UTC)
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Why not download the demos and give them a try that way you can see for yourself rather than taking other peoples word.
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Exocubic  
#9 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:37:25 AM(UTC)
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NickB wrote:
Why not download the demos and give them a try that way you can see for yourself rather than taking other peoples word.


Good idea. I ended up purchasing Concepts3d - I am working on a project for rapid prototyping that needed it's more powerful surface tools. If I had previously bought Unlimited, I'd be a little miffed. The combined cost of ViaCAD and C3d is $594 USD - for which you get 90% of the functionality of CU, sans rendering. $1200 just for Lightworks rendering? You could buy modo 203 or Maxwell for that and have a fantastic GI renderer and money left over for beer.

Punch! really needs to sit down with Tim and figure out the pricing structure on the Design Unlimited product line. Oh, and when I registered C3d, it was via the old CSI site. Punch!, Design Unimited, CSI - who the hell am I actually buying this software from, anyway? A cohesive corporate identity would surely help in marketing these sweet programs.
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KurtF  
#10 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:32:25 PM(UTC)
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Agreed. But remember, they always were CSI, before Punch bought them. This is a relatively new development, and will take some time to smooth over.
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posh.de  
#11 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2007 3:24:21 AM(UTC)
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Exocubic wrote:
$1200 just for Lightworks rendering?


plus:
- MTS (!)
- misc. adv. surface tools
- Catia & Pro/E data exchange filters (some competitors are already charging more than 1,200.- U$ for)

and the warm fuzzy feeling being a user of the flagship product ;)


Norbert
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Exocubic  
#12 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2007 7:07:37 AM(UTC)
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Ahh... figured I was missing something. I did a google search for MTS and didn't come up with anything. Can you elucidate?

Thanks for the info.
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bmeissner  
#13 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2007 7:28:30 AM(UTC)
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Ahh... figured I was missing something. I did a google search for MTS and didn't come up with anything. Can you elucidate?



Must be "Model to Sheet", I guess. Although this feature is also present in VC, in CU it includes a "precise hidden line" option, which generates true bezier vector curves for HL renderings.

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posh.de  
#14 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2007 12:10:06 PM(UTC)
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bmeissner wrote:
Must be "Model to Sheet


yup: http://www.csi-concepts.com/demos.htm

check topmost and right at the bottom one.


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Exocubic  
#15 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2007 2:50:29 PM(UTC)
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I'm pretty sure the same functionality is in ViaCAD... maybe a bit less robust?

(edited for fat fingery-ness)
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Tim Olson  
#16 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2007 3:08:13 PM(UTC)
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Exocubic wrote:
I'm pretty sure the same functionality is in ViaCAD... maybe a bit less robust?

(edited for fat fingery-ness)


Here is a product matrix.

http://www.punchcad.com/product...unchCADProductMatrix.pdf

Concepts uses a technology licensed from Dassault's Catia V5 for generating precise curves for 2D sheet drawings. ViaCAD uses a hidden line technology that is part of ACIS which generates polylines.
Tim Olson
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Reuben5150  
#17 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:02:47 AM(UTC)
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I've just bought ViaCad and would also be very interested in upgrading to concepts 3D.

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Reuben5150  
#18 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:11:19 PM(UTC)
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Hey !

I couldn't wait for a decision as i wanted Concepts to finish up a project, so now could i ask, can i sell off my Viacad license ?

thanks

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