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Moi3d vs PunchCAD (#4329)
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pajan2  
#1 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:38:19 AM(UTC)
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Hello Everybody,

I would like to take a question. Some years ago I purchased Moi 3D (v1, v2) but nowadays and meantime I realised I need something more as for detailing drawings etc. I experienced that Moi 3D is quiet a strong and stable application I have never met with this. So I love Moi3d. The my main problem is that the usage is too limited I mean a lot of features are missing; printing, section drawings etcetera... So I would like to give away but I am not 100% sure.

Is anybody here who use Moi 3D and Punchcad as well and help me making a decision?
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blowlamp  
#2 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:27:04 AM(UTC)
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What sort of things do you model and do you need to have things like DXF import/export?

Martin.
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pajan2  
#3 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:42:11 AM(UTC)
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Hello Martin.

So I usually model many things, buildings, building components (for presentation) and design products and I would like to use viacad as a main application. Well dxf export- import would be important feature as well.
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blowlamp  
#4 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:59:29 AM(UTC)
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I suggest you download the demo, if you haven't already done so and try it out.
There are plenty of people here that will help you if and when you get a little stuck

I've looked at MoI and sometimes experiment with the demo and it is very good, but like you, I find it doesn't have some of the essentials that are vital for the kind of work that I do, such as line styles, DXF import/export, dimensioning and few other things as well.

One up and coming tool in MoI v3 (beta) that looks superb and should be built into ViaCAD/Shark, is the Flow tool, which allows curves and solids to be applied to another solid/surface. As an example, one user used the tool to fit the surface terrain of the continents to a sphere to recreate the Earth :D

It's also possible for you to design in MoI and add features in ViaCAD, if that suits you too.



Martin.
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ttrw  
#5 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:25:50 AM(UTC)
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If you're doing buildings, I'd recommend SketchUp Pro instead of ViaCAD. SketchUp doesn't seem to need a lot of power, whereas ViaCAD does. Also ViaCAD imo is better suited to product design rather than architecture (despite having architectural tools). Moi3D is a pita, because it doesn't play nice with DWG, won't print and won't render. SU Pro otoh handles DWG/DXF with ease.

It's worth having a look at these pages, just to see how powerful SketchUp really is.

http://forums.sketchucation.com...ewtopic.php?f=81&t=33509
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blowlamp  
#6 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:46:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ttrw Go to Quoted Post
...Moi3D is a pita, because it doesn't play nice with DWG, won't print and won't render.

http://forums.sketchucation.com...ewtopic.php?f=81&t=33509


Tom.
Have ever actually tried MoI, because it's PC only at the moment?


Martin.
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ttrw  
#7 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:54:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blowlamp Go to Quoted Post
Tom.
Have ever actually tried MoI, because it's PC only at the moment?


Have you actually looked for the osx version Martin? Obviously not.

http://moi3d.com/osxbeta.htm

:)
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ttrw  
#8 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:56:40 AM(UTC)
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The PC version doesn't support dwg/dxf either.
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blowlamp  
#9 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:20:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ttrw Go to Quoted Post
Have you actually looked for the osx version Martin? Obviously not.

http://moi3d.com/osxbeta.htm

:)


No Tom, I haven't looked at that beta version because I don't possess a Mac, although I was aware of its existence.
I should have written that it's only possible to buy a PC version at the moment.

The reason I asked if you'd used MoI is because I've never heard it described as a "pita" because of the three deficiencies you then list.

Have you tried the Flow command I mentioned earlier - maybe post a screen-shot of it in action if you have time?



Martin.
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ttrw  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:27:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blowlamp Go to Quoted Post

I should have written that it's only possible to buy a PC version at the moment.

The reason I asked if you'd used MoI is because I've never heard it described as a "pita" because of the three deficiencies you then list.

Have you tried the Flow command I mentioned earlier - maybe post a screen-shot of it in action if you have time?


Yes, perhaps you should have done? But fortunately for us Mac users, the beta is free (for the time being anyway).

As for Moi being a PITA, concerning DWG, it IS a pita!! Perhaps I'm just going to have to be the first one to say it then? But it's also a pita that ViaCAD 2D/3D doesn't export 3DS export either- well I don't know about VC Pro, or Shark, as I don't own them. Where Moi comes in, for the immediate future anyway, is that it imports SAT, which is great, because I can then export from SAT to 3DS from Moi. It's a bit of a faff, but it works pretty well. :)

And, no, I haven't tried the flow command. Do I need to? Am I supposed to demonstrate some fantastic skill with it that I can show off to you on the forum? I don't see the point. :)
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blowlamp  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:39:12 AM(UTC)
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Yes, perhaps you should have done? But fortunately for us Mac users, the beta is free (for the time being anyway).

As for Moi being a PITA, concerning DWG, it IS a pita!! Perhaps I'm just going to have to be the first one to say it then? But it's also a pita that ViaCAD 2D/3D doesn't export 3DS export either- well I don't know about VC Pro, or Shark, as I don't own them. Where Moi comes in, for the immediate future anyway, is that it imports SAT, which is great, because I can then export from SAT to 3DS from Moi. It's a bit of a faff, but it works pretty well. :)

And, no, I haven't tried the flow command. Do I need to? Am I supposed to demonstrate some fantastic skill with it that I can show off to you on the forum? I don't see the point. :)


Ok, now I understand that software is a "pita" to you if it doesn't have a certain feature, but I must admit that I've got loads of software like that.

The point about asking you to demonstrate the Flow command in MoI v3 (if you had time), is that as you are a beta tester, you've got access to this new tool and would be able to show us, as Shark/ViaCAD users, why something like it might be worth having in our software.



Martin.
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la mouche  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:13:20 AM(UTC)
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MOI is a polyedric software no?. no solids?
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blowlamp  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:28:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: la mouche Go to Quoted Post
MOI is a polyedric software no?. no solids?


No. It's NURBS Solids and surfaces etc.


Martin.
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la mouche  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:37:25 AM(UTC)
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:eek::eek::eek:

outch!!

but not construction history for this moment... ouf!
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ttrw  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:06:21 AM(UTC)
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No history. But it does work, and is very reliable, or seems to be.

Martin, I'm quite happy to play with this feature you are talking about, but to be honest, I'm not a 'beta tester', I've just got the 'free' public Mac OSX beta.

Software companies should really do their own beta testing instead of relying on unpaid professionals, who are already trying to bring an income in, to do it for them?
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Tim Olson  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:07:52 AM(UTC)
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I think the flow command is pretty interesting. I asked the Spatial guys if they could investigate something similar. What I like about the flow command is you can design a 2D extruded shape that is then wrapped to a complex 3D shape.

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ttrw  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:19:24 AM(UTC)
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Antoine, vous savez Rhinoc©ros est ©galement sous Mac OSX version bta trop? Vous devez ©crire Marlin et demander une version bta, mais il est peu prs en leur donnant trop. Si vous avez le temps qui est faire le test bta ... Mais Marlin assez souple.

Entre les deux, je pr©fre de loin Moi sur Rhino, est-il travaille plus en temps r©el, et moins sur la faon dont la ligne de commande, ce dernier ©tant tout fait maladroit, mon avis.


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la mouche  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:19:06 AM(UTC)
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thanks, Tom,
but... are you try blending tool with rhino? its a horror imo.

Antoine
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ttrw  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:30:37 AM(UTC)
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Agreed Antoine. :)

I've actually pretty much given up on Rhino for the moment. Moi OSX is looking very good, despite my minor criticisms. Moi imports SAT from ViaCAD pretty well (v11).

All inexpensive CAD is a pain in the arse at the end of the day....? :rolleyes:
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zumer  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:19:42 PM(UTC)
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That's pure snobbery. How would you satisfy whinges like "It's a horror!" or "It's a PITA!" from a software QC program, knowing that the customer WHO BOUGHT IT is bigoted against it because he wasn't charged enough?
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