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Steve.M  
#41 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:49:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: billbedford Go to Quoted Post
Whenever I try and reproduce your solid they come out as they are suposed to.


Hi Bill,

I have been looking at a 2 rail sweep around 2 (untrimmed) Ellipse (offset). I find that the outcome differs depending on what direction the Ellipse take, but also on what side of the cross section I select.

I will post some examples (with model file/vid) probably tomorrow,.. I need a rest from this for now :)


Regards,

- Steve
ttrw  
#42 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:51:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: billbedford Go to Quoted Post
Sorry, but can you tell me exactly how you drew your rails. Whenever I try and reproduce your solid they come out as they are suposed to.


What would be better Bill, is if you could do an avi or quicktime movie screen shot file to show how you get a good result- perhaps there is something we're overlooking?
NickB  
#43 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:51:01 PM(UTC)
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Slightly off topic.

I wanted to see what would happen with CU V4 and a 2 rail sweep around 2 ellipses - the result was garbage, but I tried top make a quicktime movie using the built in quicktime tool and whatever settings I had (fps / keyframes / compression) the result was always a cruddy movie that ran for no longer than a second or so. What settings are others using ?
Shark FX 9 build 1143
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jol  
#44 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:59:17 PM(UTC)
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Yes Nick - I tried to raise the fact that this doesn't work well before - but to no avail .. never mind !

You need Snaps Pro X on the Mac - it's very good !

http://www.apple.com/downloads/...utilities/snapzprox.html
ttrw  
#45 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:58:03 PM(UTC)
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Nick, if you think $69 is too steep- there's also Jing;

http://www.jingproject.com/
jol  
#46 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:04:38 PM(UTC)
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or wait for snow leopard - which will offer it from within the OS
NickB  
#47 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:09:03 PM(UTC)
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Just downloaded and am demoing [URL="http://www.shinywhitebox.com/ishowuhd/main.html"]iShowU[/URL] $30 - $60 depending on version. Has the advantage over Snaps Pro X that the process is instantaneous.

10.6 requires a wait till September, I need this now. The built in tool is bound to be more limited than a dedicated tool. Look at all the screen shot apps out there. My fav is [URL="http://yellowmug.com/snapndrag/"]SnapNDrag[/URL] free or $5 for the pro version (best $5 I ever spent).
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Steve.M  
#48 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:22:16 PM(UTC)
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So I suppose keeping to topic is not possible. It is bad enough trying to get a reply from Tim on a bug report to forum without off topic posts, maybe this now will be just another thread that is a waste of time.

I will post directly to support to see if that helps or not (the later being more obvious)
ttrw  
#49 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:56:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NickB Go to Quoted Post
My fav is [URL="http://yellowmug.com/snapndrag/"]SnapNDrag[/URL] free or $5 for the pro version (best $5 I ever spent).


Hehe- I use snapNdrag all the time! It's indispensable! :D

I recommend Screenshot Pilot for the PC too. :)

http://www.colorpilot.com/screenshot.html
ttrw  
#50 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:59:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steve.M Go to Quoted Post
So I suppose keeping to topic is not possible.


Sorry Steve. You're absolutely right. (But I guess we wouldn't wander so much if Tim would just step in and say something or two. Tim hasn't posted in ages :( )
Steve.M  
#51 Posted : Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:04:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ttrw Go to Quoted Post
(But I guess we wouldn't wander so much if Tim would just step in and say something or two. Tim hasn't posted in ages :( )


Tim appears to only reply to bug reports where the bugs can be fixed easily. I doubt this is an easy fix, so it will probably be ignored by Tim.

This CAD is quite bad. :(
jol  
#52 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:53:21 AM(UTC)
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Tim's off the radar this week .. we'll try to get him onto the 2 rail sweep next week

Also - I know he's working on match cos I've seen some tests - so fear not - it's just taking longer than he thought
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#53 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:13:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jol Go to Quoted Post
Tim's off the radar this week .. we'll try to get him onto the 2 rail sweep next week
I sent one report in to Punch support. I have had 2 replies, the first stating the problem could not be reproduced, the second about 9 hours later indicated this problem is now known by them (as the pics I attached to the E-mail have been removed and "added to Incident".) The reply also stated I would hear from them within 24 hours, but as that is now almost 3 days ago, I will presume they are awaiting the return of Tim ??
Originally Posted by: jol Go to Quoted Post

Also - I know he's working on match cos I've seen some tests - so fear not - it's just taking longer than he thought
I will not hold my breath. :(
la mouche  
#54 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:22:43 AM(UTC)
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hello Steve,

maybe make "macaroni or spaghettis" with only 1 guide...


I'm with you

Antoine
Tim Olson  
#55 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 11:10:35 PM(UTC)
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Hi Steve,

>>Changing the Rails to different Types (B-spline/Int spline) does change the >>result, but it should be more consistent as changing the type does bring its >>own problems with the spline moving.

I've made several changes for two rail sweeping. One of the changes was a correction to how the first derivative was getting calculated in some of the alignment portion of the code. That was in the 838 build. (Force regen will update existing parts as in the qt movie link below...)

The next thing I did was expose some options in the Edit Objects dialog box for two rail sweeps. I did this in the 55x builds (shark FX v6) as we get some more testing on these changes. I put in a check box for the Maintain Height (currently an option only at creation) and a new option to turn on/off arc length distribution. Currently arc length distribution is used to position/align the sections along the rails.

http://www.csi-concepts.com/Dem.../tworailsweepoptions.mov

If anyone has some more 2 rail sweep examples, send them off and I will test to confirm.


Tim
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ttrw  
#56 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:25:08 AM(UTC)
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Tim, essentially what you are saying is that we need to use the "Force resolve links" command more?

Is there a reason why FRL's isn't done automatically?
Tim Olson  
#57 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:36:24 AM(UTC)
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>>essentially what you are saying is that we need to use the "Force resolve >>links" command more?

No. However if you have a object created before 838 and want it to update to any post 838 changes, you can use the force resolve links command to make it current.



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Steve.M  
#58 Posted : Wednesday, July 1, 2009 4:06:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Tim Olson Go to Quoted Post
If anyone has some more 2 rail sweep examples, send them off and I will test to confirm.


I did again send off a report to support, however they appear not to read the info sent. They replied asking as to what build and construction I was using as the problem cannot be repeated..
So, I add the post (copy of e-mail and attachments sent to support) below which was in reply to e-mail:-
Question Reference #090614-000153
Summary: Viacad/shark 2 rail sweep bug
Date Created: 06/14/2009 08:41 AM
Last Updated: 06/14/2009 08:41 AM
Status: Unresolved



Tim,..By the way,.. your tech support sucks big time. :(

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Hello,

Further examples have been requested on forum by Tim Olson.

Example of 2 non-planer rails with a rectangle as section to make 2 rail sweep.(VC pro build 838 on winXP pro)
Pic01: showing rails/ section
Pic02; Shows result
Pic03: Result of changing CP splines to Int splines for rails.
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#59 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:02:39 PM(UTC)
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Tim.

Did this fix get fully implemented, because VC Pro v8 (or v7) doesn't have the Arc Length Distribution, or the Maintain Height options available when editing a Two Rail Sweep Solid in Object Properties?

The result from this tool also seems incorrect if you try sweeping the triangle along the two curves in the attached file.


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